2006 Ozbow hunt ???

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What sort of hunt would you prefer for next year?

A long weekend hunt for sambar in Victoria
3
11%
A long weekend hunt on "pay property" outback NSW
2
7%
A longer duration hunt on a "pay property"
9
32%
Long weekend hunt private property eastern NSW
5
18%
A longer duration hunt for sambar etc in Victoria
5
18%
A hunt on a "pay property" in central/western Qld
3
11%
Something not listed here (please elaborate below)
1
4%
I would never hunt on a "pay" property
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No votes
I know the perfect place (please elaborate below)
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No votes
 
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2006 Ozbow hunt ???

#1 Post by Mick Smith » Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:27 pm

I'm just curious about what members want for our 2006 hunt. Perhaps this poll may give us some direction and start some discussion on where, when or if, regarding our 2006 hunt.

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#2 Post by Sparra » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:08 pm

Gaday Mick...I haven't answered the poll as I don't mind what we do...Around the same time as this year would be good as I'm off to the Northern territory for 5 weeks in June/July...
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#3 Post by jindydiver » Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:20 pm

I voted for option 3, but I am ambivalent about the "pay" part. I have been thinking about something for next years hunt and I have some inquires to make to see if it is possible.

I think a longer hunt, with the date set well in advance, would make it even more fun. If we had say 10 days at a place then we would be able to have more people show up because they could work around other commitments. I have been thinking about some competitions too. Not your ordinary biggest animal, most kills type of thing (I got over that about 20 years ago), but with more of a focus on what makes a good hunt, and that is the company and the effort people put into helping others. I think others might be able to help with the ideas for that.
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#4 Post by CASERO » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:11 pm

I will vote on three .
I like the idea that all the game will be there and that some one has an idea where the game is on the property and at what times .
but would probably have to pic a very big place as it might get crowded.
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#5 Post by Mick Smith » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:16 pm

So far the poll looks to favour a hunt of a longer duration at a pay property. It's the option that I prefered myself. Maybe we could book the property for a full week which would include a long weekend within that week. Members could come and go within that week long period and adjust their time their to suit themselves.

I don't know, but I reckon we could do a deal with the landowner and organise a reduced rate. A sort of bulk discount rate, depending on how many members turn up.

Does anybody know of a good pay property that's nice and central for all east coast members? It would be nice to have a river running though it and plenty of game and lots of good cover to allow close in stalking.

I believe most of these pay properties charge considerably less for visitors that don't intend to hunt. If this is the case, it would suit our non-hunting members too. :D

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#6 Post by hellier » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:17 pm

I'm up for it...whatever it is...but mostly I think that a long duration event is best for me...getting time off work and away from family is rare and precious.....but most necessary :lol: I think I'd fly just about anywhere for a meet up with you guys....more for what I'm going to learn than anything else and whilst I'd dearly love to kill something :shock: I'm sure I'd come back with some treasured memories....so can I come, can I ?

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#7 Post by Pete » Mon Nov 14, 2005 2:02 pm

I say we hunt Africa, or failing that memo can bring some more port and we just pretend we're there. :D

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#8 Post by Mick Smith » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:16 pm

hellier, of course you can come, where ever that may be?

Jindy, I've just come to terms with the word "ambivalent". :lol: I thought you meant you liked it. I knew you would be able to come up with a few alternatives. We all appreciate your involvement and input. Thanks mate! :wink:

I've sort of had some input from other members offering their private piece of hunting real estate for our hunt next year. It's very appreciated fellas. I am concerned about possible repercussions if something went wrong though. I don't want to see any one member left in the lurch and with one less hunting property. I know this is extremely unlikely though. I would feel happy trusting the Victorian High Country blokes with absolutely anything, except perhaps the key to the wine cellar. :lol:

Anyway fellas keep the input coming. Times getting closer and closer. :shock: As others have said, we need plenty of advance time to organise annual leave, long service leave and time of work and time away from our families. It's no good leaving it until the last minute. :wink:

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#9 Post by hellier » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:30 pm

Any idea when in 2006 mate ?? just to tie up a few loose ends and stuff and generally get the ball rolling so to speak ?? I'm looking to try a place on the Bowen River just after new year...it's a pay place but I don't mind as I'm still new to hunting in Australia and it's a start I suppose.... :wink:
I'd love to have a battle of wits with you.....but you appear to be un-armed.....

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#10 Post by dadpad » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:24 pm

Pete wrote:I say we hunt Africa, or failing that memo can bring some more port and we just pretend we're there. :D
I'm surprised you didnt suggest Reedy lake Pete.

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#11 Post by bowriver » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:51 am

All sounds great unfortunatly my bow has some funny looking wheels attached to the ends of the limbs so i think that counts me out. :D

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#12 Post by Pete » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:20 am

DadPad said:
I'm surprised you didnt suggest Reedy lake Pete
Wait a minute...do I know you :wink:

Not much to hunt round there except birds and carp (not aloud to hunt either) and a few rabbits, cats and foxes which you can hunt in the sanctuarys, but i can think of better spots!

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#13 Post by clinglish » Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:35 pm

Im , New to Vic so I may not be on the right track .but take a look at
www.sentosa.com.au , it is just an idea. We may be able to get a group rate or something.

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#14 Post by woody » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:55 pm

clinglish,
Sorry, but I would have to pass on a property like Sentosa, not my cup of tea. :D
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#15 Post by jindydiver » Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:44 am

woody wrote:clinglish,
Sorry, but I would have to pass on a property like Sentosa, not my cup of tea. :D
I would pass also :)
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#16 Post by Sparra » Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:22 am

I'm with you fella's...Something a little less formal would be nice....

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#17 Post by clinglish » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:36 pm

no worries guy's I figured anything is worth putting on the table, that way we should end up with an idea supported by most whom are going. I had also thought of NSW as a destination but I wouldn't know were to start.

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#18 Post by Mick Smith » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:05 pm

If we decide on a hunt on a pay property in outback NSW, we would need a property with plenty of lignum swamps and steep banked creeks for cover. It would also need to be a big property, but most of them are huge anyway.

I haven't had much experience with pay properties, but the various booking agents should be able to point us in the right direction. I think the current costs are about $35 per night, but we might be able to do a deal because of the fact there will be so many bowhunters there at once.

Looking at the best time of the year for the hunt, I'd say we'd want a time when water is scarce, to ensure the pigs are concentrated around tanks, yet we want the weather to be reasonably mild. I reckon that November 2006 would be pretty good. It gives us plenty of time to get organised too.

Even if a couple of us booked the property for a week or two, that would ensure the event was a goer. Other members could turn up anytime during that 1 or 2 week period and pay the landowner when they leave. It could be quick and easy to organise.

Like the 2005 Ozbow High Country Hunt, all members attending would have to be totally self sufficient. Members with 4WDs could ferry hunters to various points and pick them up again.

I reckon it would be fantastic to kick back for at least a week, living it up around the campfire at night and hunting pigs and goats during the day. What could be better? :D

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#19 Post by adam » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:19 pm

Just my take on the pay property thing, they are generally over hunted by dogs and riflemen=hard bowhunting. and 14 days x $35 is a big dollar hunt really. What about approaching the game council and see if they can come up with the goods. Doesn't anyone have a not so secret spot out west, it would have to be better then a pay place. I'm most likely not going to be able to make it, just a heads up.

And if it did come down to a pay place this bloke would do the best deal for animals avail

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tell him Adam Greentree put you on to him and the amount of guys attending.

p.s if the hunting is at its worst you blokes will still have a ball, and you have the rest of the year to hunt.
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#20 Post by Mick Smith » Tue Dec 27, 2005 1:05 pm

Adam

You've made a good point. I take it, these pay properties get a fair flogging from doggers and rifle hunters. One of my mates (a rifle hunter) went to a pay property near Louth in NSW in January this year with a couple of mates and shot 33 pigs. This tells me two things, firstly there must have been some pigs on the property to begin with, but more importantly, there were 33 less pigs when they left. These blokes go to the same property each year and they always do well, but then again they are using rifles and spotlights.

I agree with your overall sentiment though. The costs would be fairly high and the results would be predictably poor. Even if we made the duration of the hunt for one week only, at $35 per night, that's $245 for each of us to pay. When you add the costs of just getting there to this figure, it may begin to hurt the hip pocket.

Obviously our best solution would be to find some private property where we could hunt for nothing. The hunting would probably be much better and the costs much less. Unfortunately I don't know of any such place that I could recommend.

Maybe we could strike a private deal with a landowner who doesn't normally allow paying clients onto his property.

What sort of situation would we be looking at using Matt's Safari's? I would imagine it would be a considerably higher daily fee with a higher likelyhood of bagging game, but I can't really see members being too excited with a formal, organised hunt.

Anyone got suggestions????

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#21 Post by adam » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:25 pm

Im just thinking(thinking) Matt would have a property that you blokes could have the run of for a good price(non guided hunt). Because theres going to be a good crowd he should be able to work something out, or ofcourse any hunting outfitter.

Im thinking you don't need a guide to be with you, you don't need the biggest and best hunting grounds, just a place to camp out and chase a few critters.

I would go the other way though and try keep right away from paying to hunt ferals. Its more relaxing when theres no money riding on the hunt, you know what I mean.

Its a hard one mick cause of the number of hunters going, I usta do group hunts on a private patch I had permission too but the issue is poachers, word gets out you know, It was some of the best hunting grounds most guys would see(heaps of deer goats and pigs). Anyways with a big number of hunters as you would know its hard to organize good grounds. Id go the vic tops if I was going. free for all really and no pressure, but other game than those near impossible deer would be good. I don't know myself, jeezzz.

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#22 Post by jindydiver » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:57 pm

I think I know what you are saying Adam. We tried the Vic Alps for 2005 and we were on a hiding to nothing really because sambar don’t come easy, and they are almost not ever seen by people lobbing for a weekend hunt. If we had a good patch that had been scouted well then we would have had more of a chance, but really sambar need more than a two day effort. It was a great hunt though, just "hunting" was way down the list of reasons to attend. :wink:

I have been thinking about a place I know out near Hay. I would need to drive out there and talk to the guy face to face though, because I would feel uncomfortable just ringing and asking can a dozen guys have free access to his back yard. If I feel motivated enough I might make the drive, but I am not itching to do it.
I visited some friends up at Condo’ the other week to see whether we could make some arrangement there, and they are happy to allow this sort of thing, but the drought has knocked them about pretty badly and the goats are too valuable to just go shooting, and the pigs have been very thin on the ground because of the lack of feed. This winter I might get back up there and have another look.

We have plenty of time yet so who knows what will come up. :D
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#23 Post by Mick Smith » Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:31 pm

Jindy

Yes mate goats are worth too much to landowners to allow bowhunters to reduce their numbers without renumeration. I'd be more than happy to pay the full market price for any goat I took, especially if I wasn't paying a daily fee.

I agree with your sentiments about the High Country hunt. As much as we all really enjoyed it, the hunting was pretty much a non event. We talked about it at the time and agreed that a hunt where game was more abundant would be the go next time in 2006.

Personally I'd still be happy enough to go with a pay property, but I will concede that better options would be preferable.

Nobody expects you, Jindy to run around the countryside organising another hunt. You did more than your share last time mate. :wink:

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#24 Post by Mick Smith » Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:34 pm

This could be a bit off topic, but one of these days I'd like to canoe down one of the wild rivers in the Australian Alps. Maybe the upper Mitta Mitta, but I'd do lots of research first.

I've done lots and lots of whitewater canoeing in years gone by. I haven't done it for about 15 years or so. It's not the whitewater aspect that really appeals to me though, it the certainty of penetrating deeply into virgin sambar country (that sounds sort of rude :oops: ).

I'd only paddle short distances during the middle of the day and then set up camp and hunt till dark and then again at first light, before heading on further down stream. You could regulate the number of days easily by simply travelling further or less each day.

It would be better for 4 to 6 people to do a trip like this, as you need to think about the inevitable car shuffle and possible worst case senerios like snapped canoes (I've been there before).

How good would this be? 8)


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#25 Post by piggy » Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:45 pm

Mick I have mates that do exactly that but with rifles, They drop off a car at their destination then drive up to the start and launch their canoes and spend several days slowly canoeing downstream in the mornings, make camp by late morning, go stalking in the afternoon / dusk.
They always return with a deer but see many by the river in the mornings. They only take what they will use so nornally only one deer is shot unless of course a quality stag is seen.

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#26 Post by humphrey » Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:06 pm

i reckon that sounds like a good idea. a real kind of adventure as well, not just a hunt. 8)

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#27 Post by Sparra » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:19 pm

Gee Mick...I don't think I could get enough beer into a canoe.. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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#28 Post by Mick Smith » Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:31 pm

:lol: Yes that would be a problem, definately. :? Does anyone make dehydrated beer? Maybe an airdrop? Or float some slabs down in inner-tubes before we leave. :D

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#29 Post by trash one » Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:46 pm

We are going to do a canoe trip this year maybe around september, Stace and ET are coming up and possibly a couple of others from this site. We are really looking forward to it.
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#30 Post by jindydiver » Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:35 pm

Should be a lot easier on your bums than the bike trips :D
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