ALLOY ARROW ADVICE

[Pegasus]

Guys, I'm seeking advice from any Long Bow shooters out there who use alloy arrows.

The arrows will be used for either 3D or FITA target/field.

My bow is 48# @ 28" and I'm considering Eastern XX75 Plaitnum Plus either 2016 or 2013 with 125 gn points.

Any feed back on these arrows or suitable alternatives with recommended spine selection would be appreciated.

Regards

John

[matt_d]

G'day John,
In order to recommend a good starting point for your arrow spine you'll have to tell us your arrow length and the weight of the bow at your draw. For arrows up to 29" I would be using 1916's out of that bow as a good place to start.
Cheers,
Matt

[Pegasus]

Thanks Matt.

My draw length is 28" and my current arrow length is 29 1/2". I've noted in previous discussions that traditional archers with similar equipment characteristics prefer the 1916 shaft. This seems slightly under spined but I'm asssuming that a weaker spine is preferable on a longbow shooting off the shelf.

John

[longbowinfected]

1916 jazz to start with [cheaper]

1913 platinum pluses with 145 grain points 4 low profile feathers if you are an AA shoter.
I use these in my bow which is basically the same as yours. They o go well for target long distance and in the wind and at indoor. I put in 125 points for clout.

kevin

[Pegasus]

Thanks Kevin.

I'll look at both those spines a little closer as well as consider the 145 gn points option before a final decision is made.

John

[danceswithdingoes]

I agree with the 1916's, is your draw actually 28"? As this would affect spine.

[Pegasus]

Yes my draw length is 28".

The bow was custom made by Nick Lintern who was very particular in ensuring all required individual measurements were accurate.

I actually knew this before seeing Nick but he left nothing to chance or error. A really passionate archer and skilled craftsman.

[danceswithdingoes]

and a good bloke too If you would like to keep a psuedo trad feel then the Easton Legacy with its faux foot and wood grain might suit. It comes in 1916 too

[hue]

have to agree with Ding there, the legacy are great!
you want the arrows a tad underspinned for longbows and you can play with point weights, but i would prefer to see the 125 gn points to stiffen them up a bit. the 145's might weaken them a tad. any comments lads!

good luck Pegasus

Hue

forgot to mention, make the fletches not more than 4 ins. long (3 is preferable) and i would stick to only three fletches for target, sorry Kev.
What kind of bow did Nick make for you mate? he's making me a "Barbarian"!

[pdccr]

This is probably a stupid question but do the numbers actually represent or mean anything, or did the makers just number them.

[hue]

good question pdccr

a 19/16 arrow means that it is 19/64 of an inch in diameter and 16 thousandth of an inch in thickness
does that help. it is a reasonably heavy arrow!

Hue

[Coach]

OK a 2317 equates to this ,, it will be 23/64 ths of an inch in diameter ,,, and 17 thousandths of an inch in wall thickness . Hope that helps in some way .

[pdccr]

Ahh, that makes sense. I always wondered how anyone knew what they were buying but thats a pretty good system. From this can you get their spine?

[hue]

yep, google "Easton Aluminium Arrows" and have a look at the chart, that's a pretty simple chart, compared to the others!

Hue

[pdccr]

Ahh ok, thanks mate.

[g_r]

Dont know if i can help, was shooting a longbow with 49 @my 30inch draw. 2016s with 125grain were just perfect.

[hue]

that sounds pretty right g_r

Hue

[Coach]

From this can you get their spine?

Ahh ,,, NO

[pdccr]

yep, google "Easton Aluminium Arrows" and have a look at the chart, that's a pretty simple chart, compared to the others!

Hue

Close enough

[g_r]

but be carefull with the Easton Chart, it said i´d have to use 2216s, but for me they worked liked sh**, the 2016s that were right didnt even occur in the chart for my stats

[hue]

read the fine print mate, they're a guide only!
and coach, please explain? to use a bad quote

Hue

[longbowinfected]

Hue,

having had to shoot 60m and down to 30m target in wind constantly blowing at 60kph for a day more than eight times at major titles/events at SOPA with longbow three feathers just do not cut the mustard, especially under 50 pound drawweight. With four low profile feathers and a heavy point on an arrow with no overhang they tracked a few degrees off centre but flew dead straight at 30 & 40 metres and only needed a quarter target lead at the longer distances.
Last week at the Masters my arrows set up that way beat nearly every arrow set up, including sighted, unsighted recurves and compounds with higher drawweight. Most of those folk were and are better archers than me. Only three archers beat my score.

Kevin

[pdccr]

What setup did you have? When you say low profile is that like banana's or parabolic? I currently shoot 3 x4" Shield cuts and they pretty well. Never tried 4 Feathers.

[Pegasus]

To all have provided feedback on my question as to what alloy arrows to consider - thanks very much

I'll look at the 1916 range as a starting point and I now know what the shaft numbering represents.

Hue in response to your earlier question, Nick made me a 'Valkyrie' suitable primarily for target shooting. Though new to traditional archery, I can confirm that I was 100% satisfied with Nick's service and friendly advice. Nothing was to much trouble in meeting my requirements and providing advice before and after purchase.

John

[longbowinfected]

Toby,

flat laid glassed zebranowood/bamboo core 49# at 28" made by Steve Farrell aka longbowsteve

using mediterranean release under the chin with wet weather saunders tab and bowsling.

1913 Easton Platinum plus with push in nocks, wraps, 4 x 2.5 inch flights kite shaped half inch high at highest point attached with fletching tape and hand tied using 30# braided fishing line.
Points 145 grain screw in, aluminium inserts total arrow mass 414grains. centre of gravity 5 inches from front end of arrow. point on at 65metres.

Kevin

[GrahameA]

Ahh, that makes sense. I always wondered how anyone knew what they were buying but thats a pretty good system. From this can you get their spine?

Simple Question - not so simple answer.

- You can either look up charts which have Spine values for shafts,

- Do some deflection test yourself or

- Crunch the numbers.

Easy Number Crunching. You have a simply supported beam with a single point load.

Given the question asked I would suggest you look up a chart.

[pdccr]

Thanks Kevin, i might give the 4 fletching arrow a go. Is a kite fletching similar to shield cut?

Yeah, i think i will stick with the chart

[longbowinfected]

imagine the back end of a parabolic with the curved section chord cut off.
That part is not so critical.....personal choice. I cut up old 5 inch flights to make two short ones as I was given a heap.

Kevin

[pdccr]

Ok i will try and make a set of 4 x Feathers. I have some turkey feathers but need a feather chopper.

[longbowinfected]

I have a feather cutter and a feather burner but usually cut feathers using sharp scissors and a Stanley knife with goo results.I normally do my prep work at night in the lounge and burning or hammering are a no no.....out comes the Stanley.
I now cut by eye and hand fletch by eye.....much quicker.
I also use wraps instead of painting.......more time on the shooting line.

Kevin