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At the moment I shoot split fingers...I have a Greybeard Longbow,53#@28...I am thinking of changing to 3 under and try to start shooting point of aim and was wondering if I need to change anything on the bow to do this...ie..nocking point...At the moment I just focus on the target,draw the arrow and shoot and although I am reasonably consistant at shorter distances my longer shots seem to be pot luck...Hope this makes sense...

Cheers...Sparra

You will probably need to raise your nocking point a bit but that is about all.

Jeff

I find that I need to run thicker center serving or the arrows fall off when i draw and as Jeff said you will need to adjust you nocking point a bit. But best thing i ever did switching to three under i shoot a lot more consistently now.

Dan

Best move I ever did and the lack of finger pinch is a bounus as well.

can you use 3 under in AA comps?

Cant in ABA unless you nominate in longbow modern.Dunno 'bout AA

I was also told yesterday that you can't shoot a takedown longbow in ABA...Is this right???

Cant remember seeing that in the rules of shoot but i will check it out and get back on it.

Cheers Bob...In my quest to improve my shooting I am going to go down in weight to about 45#...I need to buy another bow and as much as I prefer 2 piece if I can't shoot it at ABA I will have to go 1 piece...

Cheers...Sparra

Sparra,
I just had a look at the ABA National Rules and for Traditional Longbow division it says

"A one piece straight ended bow of any material, whether glued up of one or more
laminations of materials" and "The bow must be shot with the “ Mediterranean ‘’ loose. In the case of physical
deformity or handicap special dispensation shall be allowed"

So a two piece bow is definately out for Trad Longbow division. However, as you are now shooting 3 under, you would be in Modern Longbow anyway as bigbob stated.

However, the equipment spec for modern longbow states:

A generally straight ended bow assembled from one or more sections of any
material, whether glued up of one or more laminations of materials, which when
strung displays a curvature from the riser ends to the limb tips. When strung the
bow may display a slight reflex/deflex in the curvature of the limbs. PROVIDED
the string ONLY touches at the string groove nocks. Any following of the string
along the belly side of the bow limbs will classify the bow into the Recurve

I'd seek a ruling from an ABA official re a two piece longbow but from the above "assembled from one or more sections of any material" I'd think a two peice would be ok... But you just never know!

Oh.. and the rules for Modern Longbow state that the index finger must contact the arrow... so 3 under is fine.
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Paul

G'day Paul...Thanks for the info,I might shoot the ABA an email and see what they say...The reason I prefer a 2 piece is that from past experience if I decide to sell a bow,a I piece is a real pain as far as shipping goes...Where as a 2 piece will go through the post...

Cheers...Sparra

Sparra,
Understand the desire for a two piece mate... Much easier on the transport side of things. Tell you what, get yourself a Toelke Whip two piece and I'll take it off your hands at a bargain price when you've finished with it... i'll even let you post it to me

p.s For some reason i seem to recall hearing that a two piece like the sleeve or bow bolt style connection in modern longbow is ok but they drew the line at the 3 piece T/D recurve style "longbows".
Cheers,
Paul

My bow is a Grey Beard Longbow,sleeve type and when it is together and strung you wouldn't know it's a 2 piece...I did put a post up on the ABA website and a reply said I can shoot in modern longbow..

Cheers...Sparra

Sorry I never got back to you Sparra, but these days my memory has gone walkabout!. Glad Dartonion answered your query anyway which was about what I could remember about it. Should be good to go in modern longbow.

bigbob wrote:Cant in ABA unless you nominate in longbow modern.Dunno 'bout AA

how ridiculous is that?

Im changing to three under myself, feels heaps better!

It will alter the tiller a little on your bow if it was purchased for someone shooting split.

Hi Sparra,

You can challenge ABA with documented evidence; the sleeved takedown bow has been in existence since 1859 or earlier.

I believe the release method is the biggest stumbling block.

Link to the book; http://www.archerylibrary.com/books/ford/

ARCHERY, ITS THEORY AND PRACTICE
by H. A. Ford, 2nd Edition, 1859.
CHAPTER III.

The Carriage Bow Daryl.

[I guess by now the longbow has had a lot of arrows put through it.]

Like some one suggested, you may or may not have to re-tiller your bow, if it was set up as split finger. Not in all cases. I generally found that 3 fingers under required a slightly lower nocking point, but maybe that was just me.

I had a reflex/deflex longow that would only shoot well 3 fingers under (so I got rid of it), and I have a friends who's target style recurve refuses to give clean arrow fight with 3 fingers under. I have seen many longbows shots nicely with 3 fingers under, though often their string makes a different 'twanging' noise when they do.

Finger pinch shouldn't really be an issue with a longbow. It is more for short recurves under 60" and compound bows.

Three fingers under is often favored by gap and point of aim shooters.

Hi all yes I was thinkimg about going 3 under but was told the tiller would need adjusting and also 3DAAA and ABA didn't allow 3 under. It certainly seem from the above that ABA allow it anyway.
Does anyone know about 3daaa?
Cheers
Ian

Heres is a copy of the 3daa regarding Trad. So according to this yes
A.8 Traditional (TRAD)
A recurve or longbow without a sighting device. Arrow should be shot from the shelf or
hand with no elevated rest. Only a piece of leather or similar material 1/8 inch thick or
less shall be allowed on the arrow shelf. There will be no markings on the bow or on the
bowstring that could be construed as sighting marks. There will not be any type of draw
check on the bow or string. There shall be a single (1) nocking point on the string, i.e.
this single (1) nocking point may have two (2) nock point indicators on the string between
which the arrow is nocked on the string. Must be shot with a glove, finger tab or bare
fingers. No stabilisers or counter balances shall be allowed. The use of clickers, draw
checks, mechanical or electronic devices shall be prohibited as a shooting aid. While
shooting, the archer shall touch the arrow with the index finger against the nock, and
using a single anchor point. Aluminum or carbon arrows must have screw-in field points;
wood arrows may have glue-on points. All arrows must have at least three (3) feathers or
vanes no less than four (4) inches long. No stabilizers, counterbalances, or weights of
any kind may be attached or built into the bow, except a quiver clearly designed to hold
arrows. Arrows shall be shot off the hand or shelf of the riser only. An arrow side plate (if
used) may only extend one (1) inch above the arrow. Must be shot from the WHITE
stake; maximum of 30 yards.
NOTE: STRING WALKING & FACE WALKING ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THIS CLASS.

Actually, I wonder if part of the tillering process effect, when changing draw point on the string, are often more related to the dynamics of how the bow now reacts also to the change of bow hand pressure upon the grip, some bows being more sensitive to it than others. As you lower the draw point of the string, perhaps you increase the heal pressure on the bow handle. I remember vaguely of compounders once playing around with the tiller of their bows to change how the bow sat in their bow hand. Just food for thought.

Hi All.

The original post is a few months. Irrespective I would suggest you talk to the bow designer/manufacturer if you are changing the way the bow is to be shot. They may have some insight into the bow design.

Hi Little John on reading those rules the index finger must touch the arrow then yes either 3 under or split would comply.
Cheers
Ian

alloy arras must have screw in points !!! what is wrong with glue in field points??? rules rules rules no wonder archery is a minority sport in oz this post refers to 3daa .