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Spliced Osage Flatbow

#1 Post by mikaluger » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:33 am

A mate at the archery club surprised me with a piece of osage he had lying around at home. It was more like a fence paling that was cut in half!
It was 36" long about 4" wide and 1/2" thick. He said to me "Can you make a bow from this?" , "If you can you can have it". I took it home.

So after much deliberation, I thought, time to make a spliced flatbow. I ripped the billet in half lengthways, then marked a splice. I laid out the ripped billets so that when the bow is drawn, the fades and the tips are opposite each other as they where side by side before the billet was ripped. Hope this makes sense! This should keep the arcs fairly even for tillering. I hope!
I glued the splice join with techni glue and then the next day, cleaned it up and backed the whole length with 4mm of Hickory, the Riser will be a solid hickory block. The splice will be safely clamped between the riser and the backing. This is what I have done so far.
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Re: Spliced Osage Flatbow

#2 Post by Goatchaser » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:45 am

lookin good mate, :wink:

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#3 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:01 pm

Lookin' forward to the build Mik.

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#4 Post by rodlonq » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:14 pm

Beauty Mik, looks like a challenging project. Cant wait to see your next post (or paling :biggrin: ).

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#5 Post by bigbob » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:30 pm

rodlonq wrote:Beauty Mik, looks like a challenging project. Cant wait to see your next post (or paling :biggrin: ).

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Looking great so far, be keen to see the finished bow.
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#6 Post by Gringa Bows » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:17 pm

Top job mate,love that Osage :biggrin:

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#7 Post by greybeard » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:54 pm

Looks like an interesting project.
mikaluger wrote:
So after much deliberation, I thought, time to make a spliced flatbow. I ripped the billet in half lengthways, then marked a splice. I laid out the ripped billets so that when the bow is drawn, the fades and the tips are opposite each other as they where side by side before the billet was ripped. Hope this makes sense! This should keep the arcs fairly even for tillering. I hope!
That is the method I use when splicing bush billets. If possible I try to work out which end of the billet was closest to the base of the tree and splice at that end.

It is amazing the strength attained with this style of splice, I have used it a few times with unbacked selfbows and have not had any problems.

Do you think you may have to reduce the thickness of the hickory backing as you work towards the tips?

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#8 Post by mikaluger » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:02 am

Hi Daryl,
I was actually going to reduce the tips on the belly side! I never thought of the reducing it on the backing side, would this reduce string follow?

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#9 Post by greybeard » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:22 am

I was thinking of the ratio of hickory to Osage orange.

If too much material is taken off the belly the hickory may overpower the Osage.

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#10 Post by Hamish » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:11 am

Yep, Lookin good! I hope you are using techniglue or something similar to glue the riser on. A really good rigid glueline is necessary to stop the fades lifting when the bow is around 5/8" thick.

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#11 Post by mikaluger » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:13 pm

yep techni glue....

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#12 Post by mikaluger » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:48 pm

cut and sanded the tapers today.
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#13 Post by bigbob » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:05 pm

Is that natural reflex or have you done a bit of heat work?
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#14 Post by mikaluger » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:09 pm

I "flipped the tips" :biggrin: a little when I glued on the backing Bob, then I sanded a tiny little bit of curve on the riser and glued that on. I was careful to keep the tips forward of the riser on this one!
So next will be to pencil round the belly edges and then put her on the long string. I want to get her between 40# and 50# @ 28". She's pretty stiff tho, this osage is tuff stuff!

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#15 Post by bigbob » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:32 pm

As Rod said --yellow gold! Looking good.
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#16 Post by mikaluger » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:23 pm

Tillered and test fired today. Bottom limb was a lot stiffer than the top, and was a bugger to tiller right, but I managed to get her round in the end. Osage is well and truly the toughest stuff I have yet encountered, certainly gets some getting used too. The bow shoots well and is lovely to draw. A little noisy for my liking with a little handshock, I will have to work on that. Bow is currently 51 lb @ 28" and holding it's reflex unstrung, no string follow! first for me!!!!
Now to apply a finish.
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#17 Post by longbow steve » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:35 am

Looks like you have done a great job, Osage is great stuff. Steve

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#18 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:06 am

Congrats! I'm glad it turned out well for you.

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#19 Post by Goatchaser » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:13 am

Very nice, once again. :wink:

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#20 Post by Nephew » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:36 am

Well done mate! Always in awe of the level of skill in blokes who make bows!
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#21 Post by yeoman » Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:52 pm

Nice bow.

What is it that makes you say Osage is the toughest you've had to deal with?
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#22 Post by mikaluger » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:08 pm

mate, the stuff is SO hard, your tools have to be sharp, but even then the timber will check. I used a rasp on the belly, where I would usually use my spoke shave. I then used my cabinet scraper, but even this was hard. I still have alot of sanding to get the finish I want with all the tooling marks removed. I want the draw weight 3 or 4 lbs less, it's just too much for me at the mo. I may move the bow on. Undecided. This bow packs a punch!

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#23 Post by yeoman » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:16 pm

Have you tried using ironbark? That is a hard wood.

With some agressive sanding and rounding of the corners, you might lose up to 2.5 lb. After a hundred arrows, it may lose just a bit more. Stick with it, and you may be surprised.
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#24 Post by The big Kahuna » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:10 pm

Mik,.... Like Greybeard says, taper the hickory at the tips not the osage and round the edges all the way . Try and radius the belly. Nice bow.
Keep scraping/tillering until you get it to where you want it. That's the beauty of an all wood bow.
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#25 Post by yeoman » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:12 pm

Except I'd say don't remove material from the back at this stage, as the only surface is the back.

You could give the backing an increasingly trapezoidal shape toward the tips, which would reduce the cross sectional area of the backing.

But then, depending on how it is taking set, you may not need to bother.
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#26 Post by mikaluger » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:40 pm

getting there....
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#27 Post by yeoman » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:43 pm

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#28 Post by bigbob » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:39 pm

very elegant bow! Like it!
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#29 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:43 pm

That Osage sure looks nice!

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#30 Post by Flatliner » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:45 pm

Very nice Mika, the Osage and the hickory go well together.

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