Scots Pine Shafts

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Blinkybill · #1 Post by **Blinkybill** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:16 am

Hi all!
I need to make anew set of arrows as I am starting to run out and I thought about scots pine. Have any of you guys here had any experience with this wood and what it is like as an arrow wood?
Thanks,

Ben

GrahameA · #2 Post by **GrahameA** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:18 am

They work fine for me.

The tapered version in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xmQAQlhSPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAt7E7mf-Q

ichiban · #3 Post by **ichiban** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:34 am

i havent heared alot about it either, how dose it compaire for durablity to say spruce?

Ausarcher · #4 Post by **Ausarcher** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:58 am

Hi Grahame,

Just wonderig if those arrows were fletched up on different fletching jigs as there is quite a bit of difference in there rotation?

GrahameA · #5 Post by **GrahameA** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:03 pm

Aus

They were straight fletched and the rotation is being caused by the difference in the surface roughness of the feathers.

Don't shoot them into the concrete, green or each other and they last as long as anything else.

ichiban · #6 Post by **ichiban** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:04 pm

well yeah but i mean are they as durable spruce in that if you shot a pig with 1 would they brake as quickly as POC when rubed against a big ol tree or are they more resiliant than that?

#7 Post by **Stickbow Hunter** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:09 pm

well yeah but i mean are they as durable spruce in that if you shot a pig with 1 would they brake as quickly as POC

IMO who cares; if I get a pig I don't mind loosing an arra - fair trade.

Jeff

GrahameA · #8 Post by **GrahameA** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:11 pm

Hi Jeff

Stickbow Hunter wrote:
well yeah but i mean are they as durable spruce in that if you shot a pig with 1 would they brake as quickly as POC
IMO who cares; if I get a pig I don't mind loosing an arra - fair trade.

Jeff

Exactly.

Gringa Bows · #9 Post by **Gringa Bows** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:28 pm

after shooting a pig your lucky if you get your arrow back undamaged no matter what its made of

ichiban · #10 Post by **ichiban** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:27 am

well still i personaly would rather spend the extra doller or what ever it is and have a decent chance at geting it back

#11 Post by **Stickbow Hunter** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:31 pm

well still i personaly would rather spend the extra doller or what ever it is and have a decent chance at geting it back

Dave,

The point is, if you don't get a complete pass through the pig - or any reasonable sized animal - will most likely break or bend the arra regardless of what it is made of. In my experience they seem to have an uncanny nack of always falling onto whatever side the arra is and breaking it.

Jeff

ichiban · #12 Post by **ichiban** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:16 pm

fair enough, my point was other than its lovely smell PoC dosent seem to have alot going for it in that yeah for the most part the grain is straight (lots of wood/grass has that 2) spine dosent vary to much (lots of timber/grass has that 2) but we all spend soooo much time considering timbers for bows and designs for quivers etc other than availablility(even though cost is rising) whats the benifit of using PoC and how dose Scots pine compaire in regards to durability, density, availablility and cost

#13 Post by **Stickbow Hunter** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:45 pm

whats the benifit of using PoC and how dose Scots pine compaire in regards to durability, density, availablility and cost

I can't help with that as I haven't even seen the Scots pine shafts.

Jeff

ichiban · #14 Post by **ichiban** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:52 pm

yeah sorry about that its a bit off topic, im just not that biga fan of POC and other than the smell i cant come up with any thing that puts it above anything elce ....... it must be the aussie tradition (well archery supplies) of importing only those shafts hehe

#15 Post by **Stickbow Hunter** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:18 pm

POC shafts were some of the best shafts ever made. Due to a number of reasons the quality of them has gone down hill since the 1980's, at least the ones I have seen. There would still be some quality one around I'm sure but they are hard to find. I haven't used them for many years as I prefer a heavier arrow.

Anyway I just wanted to say that if you saw a Premium grade POC shaft from the 1970's early 1980's I think you would be quite surprised at the quality.

Jeff

ichiban · #16 Post by **ichiban** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:33 pm

well thats prolly true, but still a shaft thease days will cost me about 5 bucks each and at that price i would expect not to have the number of run offs etc that have been given to me lately....

Blinkybill · #17 Post by **Blinkybill** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:04 pm

$5 each?

Where do you get your shafts from?

Ben

ichiban · #18 Post by **ichiban** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:31 pm

those are from archery supplies in canberra (i think there 3.80 unspined) and are spined plus or minus 1 pound and at most 10 Grain variance (at my Very spacific request (i reweigh them all anyway to make sure)) but at the end of the day if i have a crud shot and say hit the top of the target 9 time out of 10 the arrow is going to be in pieces even at say 30m

jaselpool · #19 Post by **jaselpool** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:44 pm

Scots pine is a great wood. We are about to start stocking them. POC is getting worse and Spruce is about to rise in price again in September

ichiban · #20 Post by **ichiban** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:07 pm

im just going to have to make a dowling jig (spotty gum shafts any1) ooo or cooktown iron wood wouldnt be that efficiant but they darn sure wouldnt break

TomMcDonald · #21 Post by **TomMcDonald** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:37 pm

ichiban wrote:im just going to have to make a dowling jig (spotty gum shafts any1) ooo or cooktown iron wood wouldnt be that efficiant but they darn sure wouldnt break

What do you mean they wouldn't be efficient?

GrahameA · #22 Post by **GrahameA** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:26 pm

Afternoon Tom

tomalophicon wrote:What do you mean they wouldn't be efficient?

Now that is the sort of question I normally ask.

ichiban · #23 Post by **ichiban** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:11 pm

sorry that was in refrence to the cooktown iron wood shafts, not the spotty gum, i have my doubts about the CT ironwood as tring to get a 5/16 shaft to spine at a lower weight would be darn hard (there would be a way of of cause) but the mass would be to high for target arrows. as far as i can see and besides that most of the cooktown ironwood i have seen the grain may be an issue

Ozbow

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