You might want to support this.

[Nephew]

Guys, here's a chance to support conservation hunting in N.S.W by signing this petition. Even if you don't care for the Shooters Party (and I admit, they are a little right-wing for me. Sometimes they are a little too right wing for Goebbels!), or are against school league tables ( as I am, but this is the price of doing business in a democracy. To get access to parks, the Shooters Party will have to vote with the Govt. in favour of school league tables) we must be ever vigilant and alert against those that would rob us of our rights to hunt as our fore-fathers did, just to soothe the A.L types fragile, tender emotions about animals. http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/sup ... -bill.html

[kerrille]

done mort even victorians need this, espesialy us boarder types.


nev

[Benny Nganabbarru]

Done.

[Nephew]

Onya boys! Doesn't matter where you live, I'm a Queenslander for instance, if you care about your liberty you'll sign.

[Lindsay]

DONE!

[Griz]

Done

[Stephen Georgiou]

done. good job picking this up mate.

[Nephew]

Holy smoke, after nearly three years in the shadows, even Griz has come out of his cave to sign!
Stephen, I perceive a bit of a change in the wind on this issue. Even the mainstream press, in the form of "60 Mins", have been giving hunting a level, fair platform from which to voice opinion lately. Lets hope it gains momentum, hey?

[terryzac]

done

[rickw]

Yep,good one Mort,I've signed. Rick

[Chase N. Nocks]

Done. Too RW economically for me Mort, but strong on Law & order which I like. Maybe they will broaden and mature as they see that there are a few left of centre gun owners about. Maybe...still it's nice when the lazy ass party players have to negotiate something, all too infrequently.

[Coach]

Havent you changed your mind on this one Moreton ?

[Nephew]

Yeah, I must admit, after some of the things I've seen recently I'm beginning to realise that the idea I have about a Qld G.C. is nothing like the reality in NSW, and I can no longer claim to be a supporter. I see an organisation like this as an opportunity to have a lobby group for discussion with Govt., AND to disseminate P.R. to bring the general public back onside with hunters. I can't see that happening while things are as they are in NSW.
Having said that, others may still agree with the premise of the petition and I hope they support their opinions by signing.

[tracker]

Lifes good! We'll all be in the National Parks smashing ferals like the eco-warriors we are before we know it.... lol.

Was talking to a local landholder recently.. he said to me.. "Those shooters party blokes are killing elephants.. I saw it in the paper.".... I said to him... "If you were standing there and there was an elephant and I handed you a big rifle and said "shoot it" what would you do?"... he laughed and said, "I'd drop it!".. I said, "of course you would.. thats NORMAL... anything else is **** bizarre!'... he laughed and said.. "you're right... lol"....

Mick.

[longbowinfected]

I would think of how small my pill was and how big he was......opposite direction slowly and not much point climbing a tree even if it was big enough to take my weight.

Kevin

[jindydiver]

(and I admit, they are a little right-wing for me. Sometimes they are a little too right wing for Goebbels!),

Moreton

What policies do the Shooters party have that are to the Right of the Nazi. Sounds like horse droppings to me.

[Chase N. Nocks]

Lifes good! We'll all be in the National Parks smashing ferals like the eco-warriors we are before we know it.... lol.

Was talking to a local landholder recently.. he said to me.. "Those shooters party blokes are killing elephants.. I saw it in the paper.".... I said to him... "If you were standing there and there was an elephant and I handed you a big rifle and said "shoot it" what would you do?"... he laughed and said, "I'd drop it!".. I said, "of course you would.. thats NORMAL... anything else is **** bizarre!'... he laughed and said.. "you're right... lol"....

Mick.

Mick I don't think that is normal at all, I would need far more excuse to shoot an elephant than, I'm here + it's here and I can. My ego is not so in need of lubrication and I reckon this bloke is a bad choice image wise.

What did he shoot 6 elephants in all ???

[Nephew]

Mick sometimes I wonder if you don't suffer from Asbergers or something. Why do you take throw away comments meant to be taken with a light heart and try to hold people to account like it was the Balfour Agreement and your a member of The Sturn Group? Perhaps The Irgun?
Just for you, "I have no evidence to support my claim that the Shooters Party have any policies that would be considered to sit to the right of the political spectrum of any Nazi" There, you happy?? Your pedantry is so endearing!

After that unpleasantness, It's not so much the elephant, although "because it's there, and I could" is a pretty weak reason to do anything in my book, ask Bill Clinton, it's the fact that to go to Zimbabwe on a tourist trip means ultimately your putting money in Mugabes pockets.
I still believe shooters should have access to any public land just as much as any one else has. The yanks seem to be able to do it ok.

[jindydiver]

Moreton
The Shooters Party are the only people in any Parliament in Australia who represent hunters and hunting, and without them we would not be enjoying the resurgence in the public's acceptance of hunters and hunting that we are seeing now. How do you think it is funny to compare what they have done as members of the NSW Parliament with the work of the Nazis?
Easy enough for you to now call it a "throw away line" and poke me with a stick, and no-one (especially me) would ever deny you the opportunity to express your opinion, but if you want to voice an opinion on an open forum you can reasonably expect to be called on to explain how you came to form that opinion.

And honestly, I would have thought you could just answer my question without stooping to calling my mental stability into question

[Nephew]

Umm, do a Vox Pop, Mick, I'm pretty sure the Shooters Party have done NOTHING to enhance the image of hunters to the general public, quite the opposite. If Fairfax are a guide, there is little to no acceptance of hunters in the general public.
And, on the contrary, I would imagine if your going to jump on people for saying what is OBVIOUSLY not a serious comment you would expect them to come back at you with a sense of annoyance at such pedantry.
Maybe relativism isn't apparent to you yet. They may indeed not appear to be far right to you, but to plenty they would. To some ( not me) Individualism is a dangerous right wing trait that will damage The Collective. To others, supporting Privatisation of publicly owned assets denotes right wing sensibilities in a Govt. or member. These are merely examples of policy taken off the top of my head. I do not claim any of these examples to be Shooters Party policy. So depending on who you ask, they may well be considered Right Wing. I'm sure, had you asked, the National Socialists would have not considered themselves Extreme Right, but some kind of centrists! Crikey, some say the Nazi Party is the natural conclusion of Conservative thought! I have sat in on discussions in which such comments were made. I argued they were wrong, and as Ted Kennedy said, sometimes some on the Left forget Conservatives love this country just as much as any Progressive.
Oh yeah, and your pretty sensitive about comments made for a bloke who called what he claims is my opinion ( I maintain it was a light-hearted comment) "Horse Droppings". Had you been a little more polite, I'd have been happy to reciprocate! Christ! It was ONE line in what was basically SUPPORT for the idea!

Furthermore, it was YOU that taught me to be sure of what I'm writing if I'm making a SERIOUS claim. Did you really imagine I would try to brand them Nazis, without jocularity??

[jindydiver]

Do you honestly believe that your being asked to argue the basis of your opinion is pedantry? After all that is what we do on forums like this every day.
And to now call it a joke is pretty weak, there are many people (of which I am one) that think that comparing someone to a Nazi is far from humorous.
My calling that comparison horse droppings is a long way from you making it personal. I couldn't care less if you called anything I was to write rubbish, you wouldn't be alone, but if you can't refrain from playing the man then maybe you shouldn't be playing at all And if you can't see the difference then there isn't much anybody can do to help you.


Anyway
I think you are dead wrong when you assert that the Shooters party has done nothing to enhance the public's acceptance of hunters and hunting. You can point to all the news articles you want and claim you know the current feeling amongst NSW residents towards hunters and hunting but you are not down here talking to the public about hunting and seeing the change in attitude that I am seeing. Sure we have people like the ISC and the NPA stirring the pot and trying to whip up opposition to hunting, and you may be correct in your assertion that articles like R Borsak's elephant hunt are helping them, but if you were down here you would see that for every already committed anti-hunter they stir into action there are many more fencesitters who are more influenced by their contact with responsible hunters and who now are somewhat inoculated to the rantings of the anti's.
Before the Shooters Party came to represent our interests in NSW hunters were definitely on the outer and had no way of having our side of the story aired in Parliament. Now we have the recent NSW Government review into the Game and Feral Animal Act (a bill put forward by the Shooters Party ) recognising the benefits to the community that hunting and hunters provide and recognising the cultural importance to many Australians of hunting. This would not have occurred if not for the increase in debate of huntings merits that has resulted from the election of a Shooters Party representative. (It is also this review that recommended the inclusion of National parks in the land available to GC licensed hunters, the Shooters Party did not just pluck this latest Bill out of it's nether regions) If having hunting included in discussion on the NSW Plan is in your estimation the same as going backwards then I submit that you know little about the subject at all.

[Nephew]

Do you honestly believe that your being asked to argue the basis of your opinion is pedantry? After all that is what we do on forums like this every day.
And to now call it a joke is pretty weak, there are many people (of which I am one) that think that comparing someone to a Nazi is far from humorous.
My calling that comparison horse droppings is a long way from you making it personal. I couldn't care less if you called anything I was to write rubbish, you wouldn't be alone, but if you can't refrain from playing the man then maybe you shouldn't be playing at all And if you can't see the difference then there isn't much anybody can do to help you.

Yeah, whatever, you just keep telling your self that, mate. You know damn well that was NOT an opinion, but a (albeit weak, I admit) joke! Also, your FOREVER playing the man. How many times have you intimated that someones opinion was worthless? Plenty! You did it to me when I was new here. Felt really welcomeing, too! So I learned from it, so what? You were still flat out rude in the way you went about it. Now you want to whinge about someone turning it back on you? Plain Hypocrisy!

It still hasn't occurred to you that maybe it's just the folk YOU CHOOSE to ask that support hunters, has it?. Nor, apparently has it occurred to you that in this day and age, with the technology available to us, I don't NEED to be there to get a good idea of how the public would react, I just need to read the local media, Fairfax being the company I would most trust ( although that is not saying much, I admit) to inform me of such. Go into Sydney, inner city, and do a Vox Pop, record it without editing and put it up on youtube and I'll believe you. Until then, it's just an opinion of public reaction and mine is that you'll get the exact opposite results to what your claiming to have witnessed.
If you represent the public face of The Shooters Party, the A.L.s have already won! Your just flat out rude! Until you learn to use manners I have nothing more constructive to say, but keep insulting me and I'll just waste time and space chucking it back. You don't bully me, Mick, nor does your intellect intimidate me. In fact, your pedantry (yes, pedantry) bores me.
You KNEW it was a joke, and if you don't then I refer you back to my Aspergers comment. Your just having a dig for the sake of it.
Btw, The war was 70 years ago, PLENTY of folk now use the Nazis for humorous material, even comparisons... get over it!
Let it go, I'm sure this would be boring to others.