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#1 Post by Keith Lee » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:57 pm

For those of us who like to film bowhunting and make movies of our exploits BE AWARE,that the RSPCA are looking at theirs movies and YouTube clips for animal cruely and we done won"t to give them any evidence for court action against the film maker or bowhunting in this county. THE YOWIE

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#2 Post by bigbob » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:21 am

Yep read the same in Archery Action and all animal libber/terrorist groups are seeking such images to use in a campaign against hunting. This is a good reason why hunting shots should not show animals that have a plethora of blood in the shot as this is then used as an example of the 'blood thirsty nature ' of our sport. They use emotional blackmail to achieve their ends.On a slightly different note some of those nutcase 'vegan warriors might like to inform us of how they can justify eating 'live' raw vegetables given that scientific studies have conclusively shown that plants react greatly to external stimulus. In one experiment two people treated test plants in vastly different manner. One would approach and 'croon' to the plant and give it nutriment, and the reaction was monitored on a sensitive apparatus, while the other would approach and use a harsh voice and pull off some leaves or the like. The difference in readouts was astonishing, and would happen on approach to the plants. Given this level of reaction and sensitivity, how can these people make any disparaging remarks about eating animals. The plants do exhibit some level of 'awareness' to their enviroment, and so some degree of sense of being, and in the case of vegetables are torn from the ground and often eaten raw.This is a rather expansive dissertation but the premise holds true.
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#3 Post by GrahameA » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:38 am

Morning All.
Keith Lee wrote:For those of us who like to film bowhunting and make movies of our exploits BE AWARE,that the RSPCA are looking at theirs movies and YouTube clips for animal cruely and we done won"t to give them any evidence for court action against the film maker or bowhunting in this county. THE YOWIE
There should be no issues here. If you hunt "ethically" and do not act in a "cruel" manner it is a none issue.
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#4 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:08 pm

Thanks for that Keith and it is something I have been saying for years.
GrahameA wrote:There should be no issues here. If you hunt "ethically" and do not act in a "cruel" manner it is a none issue.
It's not as clear cut as that Grahame; it should be but it isn't. A couple of examples as to why.

Recently I saw footage of a rabbit being shot; the rabbit dropped instantly but kicked around a bit; it was dead on impact from the arrow but its nerves caused it to kick a bit. The antis try and use that to say the rabbit wasn't killed in a humane way because it kicked around before dying and we know that isn't the case.

Another example is footage of say a pig or goat shot with an arrow and it is double lunged and on being hit it spins around and wonders what happened; blood (sometimes quite a lot) spills out down the side of the animal and sometimes its nose; the animal then topples over. The antis will say that the poor animal suffered and its death was cruel because it didn't drop dead instantly and because there was a lot of blood. This we know isn't true, the animals in such cases have little pain and die extremely quickly from blood loss - they die in a quick humane way. There is often quite a lot of blood because that is how an arrow kills - it causes quick and massive blood loss.

So, we have the antis and people who simply have no understanding of something being killed, viewing footage of a quick, very humane bow killed animal yet declaring that its death was both cruel and inhumane when in fact that simply wasn't the case. :roll:

Sometimes the hunter can be doing everything they possibly can to effect a quick humane kill but something goes wrong and a not so good shot happens and the animal is wounded. The hunter then does all that he can to dispatch the animal a quickly as possible. In this instance the hunter din't do anything ethically wrong and didn't try to be cruel but you can be certain that the antis would say differently.

Yes, we all need to watch what is being displayed in hunting DVD's and printed in hunting magazines and on forums such as this. We need to be vigilant and carefully explain our actions and show respect for the animals we hunt.

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#5 Post by bigbob » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:24 pm

Totally agree Jeff. We certainly dont want to give some of these extremists any chance of a 'bullet ' to fire back at us.
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#6 Post by perry » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:45 pm

On the way home from work this evening I heard a news report of a 23 year old Caboolture woman who was foolish enough to post video of herself on Youtube stabbing and disfiguring a mouse - she was taken to Court by the RSPCA, convivted and sentenced to 180 hours of Community service, not near enough of a punishment. Evidence enough of what has been said previously

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#7 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:09 pm

Perry,

I don't know anything about the case you mention but there had to be cruelty involved for her to be convicted. If she stabbed and killed the mouse outright before dismembering it then there would be no case for cruelty; any further info?

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#8 Post by perry » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:16 pm

from what I could gather from the ABC radio report Jeff the woman did not kill the mouse outright.

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#9 Post by Benny Nganabbarru » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:34 pm

Youtube: Pretty cool, sometimes; but I don't know that it's a blessing to hunters and hunting.
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#10 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:36 pm

Well serve herself right then. :roll:

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#11 Post by perry » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:38 pm

While on Australian Hunting Net I found another thread with more details Jeff. I have cut and pasted this. While a terrible thing to do, it seems the woman is not well !

Woman who posted video on Facebook of herself decapitating mouse with steak knife walks free from court

A WOMAN who filmed herself decapitating a mouse and posted the video on Facebook has walked free from court with a community order.

No conviction was recorded against Naomi Anderson, 23, who decapitated the mouse using a steak knife.

Between July 3-4, 2010, Miss Anderson, from Caboolture, bought the mouse and decapitated it on video.

The mouse took 40 seconds to die.

She posted the video on her Facebook profile under the alias Shabella King.

Magistrate Peter Hasted said the act was "abhorrent and repugnant".

He said it was an "aggravating feature" that the video had been posted to a "potential audience of 750 million".

"It could lead to others trying to... copy such deplorable acts," he said.

The court heard Miss Anderson, who suffers from psychiatric issues including a split personality disorder, told RSPCA inspectors she was "another person" when she committed the act.

"That person did it because she was attention-seeking," she said.

Items, including Miss Anderson's laptop, were seized on August 12 after a member of the public complained to the RSPCA about the video.

The video was saved as "kill 002".

Miss Anderson's mother, Carolyn, sat in the court looking close to tears as details of her daughter's crime were heard.

Mr Hasted said a number of psychiatric reports had been prepared on Miss Anderson.

"They paint a picture of an unsettled and troubled person withdrawing deeper into an alternative personality," he said.

Miss Anderson appeared to be "genuinely remorseful", he said.

Mr Hasted handed her a dual community order, consisting of an 18-month probation order and 180 hours community service. She must also pay costs of $75.90 and continue to have medical, psychological and psychiatric treatment.

Miss Anderson was also banned from owning animals for two years.

Outside of court, Miss Anderson's lawyer Laurie Watling said his client was having "ongoing treatment" and was "very sorry".

Inspector Travis Cooper, from the RSPCA, said he was satisfied with the outcome.
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#12 Post by Jeffro » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:16 am

perry wrote:from what I could gather from the ABC radio report Jeff the woman did not kill the mouse outright.

regards Jacko

she might be a sadistic type,if she tortured it well that is just downright mean .

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#13 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:38 am

Thanks for the follow up Perry; it does seem the young woman has serious health problems. If this was obvious (and it would seem that it was) I fail to see why the RSPCA perused the matter as they did and why the magistrate imposed the sentence that he did as she seems like she is in no condition to be trusted to carry out the orders given. I feel just getting her the help she needed may have been a better course of action. I'm not condoning what she did - the cruelty - but question how things were handled. Let's just say I have little time for RSPCA as an organization as well.

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#14 Post by bigbob » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:48 am

Agree Jeff about the RSPCA, they are virtually a law unto themselves with more power than the police, regarding entry to private homes etc. The unfortunate woman given her state of health should never have been tried as she certainly had mitigating circumstances, and it is a measure of the RSPCA's mindset that they persued the conviction.It is a clarion call to all to be very aware of what you post.
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#15 Post by Nephew » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:35 pm

I'll never understand how the RSPCA acquired the ability to prosecute cases! Your local quilters club has no right to invade your property and arrest you, so why should the RSPCA? They are only another bunch of enthusiastic amateurs, just like the quilters! Someone with pockets deep enough to beat them should contest this right to prosecute!

There has been more cases like the mouse one above, but they don't have the mental illness as an excuse. It's been fashionable for ultra feminists and/or dominatrix types to post vids of themselves ( just the stiletto adorned foot, and the poor victim) crushing small animals to death under their stiletto heels whilst speaking to the unfortunate animal as if it were a man! I read in the Sydney Morning Herald about it happening in the US and these women being convicted of animal cruelty( Truly deserved in this case!). This kind of crap goes on, but some people want US banned? I'm yet to meet the hunter that would engage in such depraved behavior, yet I expect it from a nutty femi-nazi, and still people treat the hunter as anathema, but support femi-nazi-ism!! That's how crazy modern society is! From my perspective, society in general hit it's peak between 1946 and 1970, and it's been in decline ever since. :x :( Anything good and proper and right that promotes traditional values and encourages masculinity, like trad bowhunting, is to be shunned or even banned whilst anything debauched, corrosive and damaging to our family based society, with a complete lack of values, like say...Mardi Gras... is to be celebrated! It's just plain nuts!!

Yet another reason why, if I could, I would turn my back on it all and live an isolated, but very, very, happy life.
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#16 Post by bigbob » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:42 pm

Agree with all.
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#17 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:58 pm

Moreton wrote:I'll never understand how the RSPCA acquired the ability to prosecute cases! Your local quilters club has no right to invade your property and arrest you, so why should the RSPCA?
Exactly mate and the very reason I do not support them! :x

Something I thought I would mention; one of the worst cases of animal cruelty footage I have ever seen was filmed by the RSPCA themselves but prosecution of the offenders wasn't even considered in this case. You may ask why, well probably because it was RSPCA officers who committed the offence!!! :x :x :x

There was a roo very badly burnt in those horrific Victorian bush fires. The RSPCA people didn't bother to put the roo down but left food and water out for it. The poor things feet were burt to a crisp and this was obvious. They came back the next day and then chased the poor thing around before shooting it with a tranquillizer gun. They took it to a vet who took one look and immediately put the poor thing out of its misery; something they should have done the moment they saw it.

Those RSPCA people were guilty of animal cruelty without a shred of a doubt but they weren't prosecuted. In fact the RSPCA used this footage to try and con money out of people after the bush fires. An extremely low act IMO. :x :x :x

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#18 Post by perry » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:41 pm

Imagine I rock up to my Sisters place on Christmas day to a family get together and my stirring Dad and Brother Inlaw sit me down, ask how my hunting went this past year and demand gorry detail [ they don't get it ], thank me profusely for the Bowhunted Goat backstraps and Bambi Burgers I brought along [ which I didn't ] and ask me if I still shoot Roo's under permit with my 35.303 - All in front of my RSPCA TV Show Presenter Sister in Law :roll: :? :? And then in the next breath ask her about her role in the RSPCA administration Team :mrgreen:

And so goes yet another Christmas Day at the Jackson's place

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#19 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:05 pm

A rather interesting day it would be. :D

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#20 Post by bigbob » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:17 am

Be interesting Perry :twisted: :twisted: :lol: Like a conundrum wrapped in a enigma!
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#21 Post by Nephew » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:46 am

Perry's place for Xmas this year, fellas, and someone bring a handycam! This is gonna be great! :wink: :D
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#22 Post by wishsong » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:05 pm

Hunting to me is avery personal Outdoor experience . Any success afield is really between me and the animal . I rarely post pictures of downed game anymore .
Kudos to those who choose to publicly show such stuff but do so in a respectful manner , respectful to non hunters, the animals and our sport. But I fear they remain in the shadow of the more common and distasteful stuff.

The absoulute rubbish that passes as entertainment in the guise of 'horn porn' is an absolute insult to my intelligence. But unfortunately, as much as we may scream and cry that we are different to the perpetuators of bad 'Youtube hunting' , to the members of the voting public we are not .Thats a fact . And our condemnation of such antics are but a tiny voice lost in the ever increasing wilderness of internet opinion .

Why anyone would post such rubbish is beyond me . The amatuaer footage shown is so often very very tasteless and disrespectful that it beggars belief ... but can the acts of such egotsitical Low IQ be self aware ? Probably not .

Enter the Commercial Horn porn ... successful bloodshed in the name of the advertising dollar . Such DVD'S , Youtube entries etc are, imho, most likely the death bell of hunting . These are not essays on our search for wilderness , the creatures that live there and the solace of that primal urge that can't quite be put into words .
Nope ...
so much of what I have seen pay homage to the stretching of ethics , bred animals in the guise of 'wild' and the constant search for easier, faster and bigger.
We can never get away from the fact that what we do will often end in the death of an animal . It is integral to the hunt .
But we do so in the knowledge that we act ethically , causing quick humane deaths ... whose final moments should not the topic of public entertainment ...

The dismal rubbish that passes for 'hunting' is pften deserved of its condemnation from animal liberationists, rspca etc ... but the loudest condemnation of the distatseful footage should be coming from us .

And our silence is deafening .

More to the pint , ranting now over ...
Why would you post such rubbish on youtube ?

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#23 Post by looseplucker » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:52 am

Probably the most powerful argument about not posting the stuff is not the use that the usual suspects will make of such footage, but how it might be perceived that have no knowledge of or interest in hunting, but see those raw images and it turns them into an opponent of hunting.

I would be far less worried about the RSPCA etc and far more concerned that a person generally ambivalent about hunting would be turned into an advocate against it.
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#24 Post by Rock Steady » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:10 pm

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that under NSW law if you are hunting legally you can not be charged with animal cruelty. There is a line between hunting a feral animal and animal cruelty. As far as I am aware the cruelty to animals act does not cover the legal hunting of animals.

Does anyone have more information or experience on this?

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#25 Post by hazard » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:51 pm

You are all dead right! What is right or wrong doesn't matter anymore It is all trial by media!

Regardless of what you are told "Free Speech" and "Fair Trial" are dead! Unfortunately the Dotards posting the real silly stuff arent on a forum like this and don't care what damage they do, The greed for fame is their only desire. There is no such thing as right and wrong anymore it just depends on how much money you can afford to pay your lawyer! I just hope the animal welfare mob dont get funding from some filthy rich greenie twit or it will get really messy!

People on this forum take responsibility for the kill and make their best endeavour to ensure it is quick and humane, but that is all undone when you get some prize moron independantly posting a youtube video of a cruel and selfish act. But persuing the culprit and persecuting them is probably quite hard and it ultimately ends up as ammunition to use against the ethical ones.

Stickbow Hunter wrote:Something I thought I would mention; one of the worst cases of animal cruelty footage I have ever seen was filmed by the RSPCA themselves but prosecution of the offenders wasn't even considered in this case. You may ask why, well probably because it was RSPCA officers who committed the offence!!!

There was a roo very badly burnt in those horrific Victorian bush fires. The RSPCA people didn't bother to put the roo down but left food and water out for it. The poor things feet were burt to a crisp and this was obvious. They came back the next day and then chased the poor thing around before shooting it with a tranquillizer gun. They took it to a vet who took one look and immediately put the poor thing out of its misery; something they should have done the moment they saw it.

Those RSPCA people were guilty of animal cruelty without a shred of a doubt but they weren't prosecuted. In fact the RSPCA used this footage to try and con money out of people after the bush fires. An extremely low act IMO.

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Jeff I saw this footage and I thought the very same thing, Who is looking into charging these people? We cannot be complacent , we must be proactive and out spoken to ensure the morons who do this are educated!
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#26 Post by looseplucker » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:12 pm

Free speech and a fair trial are dead? Get off the grass Hazard:

http://www.ozbow.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11532

If this is all about political correctness I say this - if you want the freedom to call someone a boong, coon, poofter, raghead etc- go right ahead and exercise it. But just be prepared for someone to exercise an equivalent freedom to call you on it.

The same goes for publishing hunting porn - there will be consequences. What has to be balanced is whether publishing and being damned does your cause more harm than good.

I would not publish gory pictures of animals for a few reasons: taste, ethics and good old fashioned common dog are chief among them.
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#27 Post by hazard » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:24 pm

Dang it LP
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#28 Post by looseplucker » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:07 pm

And you'd drink all the beer
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#29 Post by hazard » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:44 pm

"HIC" and watsssh wonnngg wivvv vatt? Hic" :lol:
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