Testing a 38# Danish Flatbow [Holmegaard Style]

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Testing a 38# Danish Flatbow [Holmegaard Style]

#1 Post by greybeard » Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:34 am

The purpose of this test was to ascertain the stored energy / efficiency of the flatbow static tip design when compared with a reflexed longbow. Although the stored energy number looked promising [compared to a 38# longbow] I was a little disappointed with the bows efficiency.

I hadn’t used the shooting machine for quite some time so I thought it best to set it up and do some test runs to line up the shooting machine and chronograph up with the backstop. The bow is mounted horizontally in the machine.
At 25% of draw length ok, 50% draw length ok, 85% disaster. Another try with a heavier arrow and I had a similar result. The arrows traveled too fast to see the arrow flight and were hitting high on the backstop and snapped in half at the front of the backstop.
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Finally the penny dropped, the bow was to be shot off the hand [no shelf] archer’s paradox and the backstop was placed too close, approximately 1.5 meters.
With the backstop moved to three meters and an arrow released from a 20 inch draw was slightly nock high. Moving the backstop to 5.5 meters solved the issue when releasing the arrow from a 26 inch DLPP.
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The whole setup must have been stable as the arrows were hitting the same hole. I released the fourth arrow and it disappeared from sight. It had entered through the same hole as the other three and was hanging out of the back of the backstop. A release aid is incorporated in the machine to eliminate the human factor.
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The numbers are as follows;
Stored energy;
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Draw force curve showed that the flatbow built up poundage earlier in the draw cycle and tapered off at a gentle rate to 26 inch DLPP with no sign of stacking.
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The static tip flatbow efficiency may suffer in some respect as does the Manchu and similar static tip styled bows which require much heavier draw weights as well as a longer draw.
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I have added some more details illustrating the performance differences between the two bows which were built on the same reflexed form and are 68 inches n to n.
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Draw force curve comparison;
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Longbow velocity / efficiency with chronograph;
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Predicted longbow velocity using a 365grain arrow. Bow efficiency virtually remains the same however arrow velocity will vary.
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Actual testing with the different mass arrows will either prove or disprove the above.

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