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The bow does not make the hunter
.... naaaaThats a good point.I was advised by a politician involved with firearms legislation that as archers/bowhunters we should be seen as seperate from crossbows which are on every state goverments hit list. As this person put it allow crossbows to part of your sport and you will be shut down overnight.
I just can’t understand a comment like that. I’m sorry but it just doesn’t make sense.The trad bow is a very lethal weapon at close ranges, partly due to the slower speeds
On the target range and at longer distances I could agree with this. However, when hunting there are many variables and this statement doesn’t necessarily hold true. Again it comes down to the shooter’s ability. At what I consider normal hunting ranges it would not be the case.For acuracy there is no comparison. the sights are more acurate.
A couple of points here. I believe a majority of compound bows today have at least 80% let off. To be holding 20 lbs would mean the person would have to be shooting a bow between 95 lb and 100 lbs. I don’t think this could be considered the norm. I believe the holding weight of a compound being used by the average bowhunter today to be much less than 20 lbs.even 20 pounds, a comon holding weight.Borrow a NEW 70#compound and try to hold it at full draw indefinately.
I’ll stick by my comment regarding the light arrows. It is a scientific fact that if you have two arrows of the same size and shape but of differing weights; that the heavy arrow will arrive at its target with less energy loss. It has to do with the ballistic coefficient. The formula for this is R = KV2There is a coment often said about compounds/light arrows sheding velocity/energy.It would surprise you how little they shed, and how much KE they retain.A lot more is retained at 50 yards than we start off with on trad bows. Before these coments are made and spread the speaker /writer should do some research as to the actual numbers.It might surprise him.
???This is not to do anything but give everyone an informed source to dispell some bad information.
I agree 100%.There are lots of slob hunters with all types of gear, trad,compound and Xbows as well as rifles.Ethics are the person, not the gear.There are shots taken with all types that are just to far, but each type has an effective range.
I am going to disagree with this statement to a certain degree also. Personally I have not found that primitive equipment has less range than other trad equipment. The range of such equipment has to do with the shooter not the equipment. The same may be said for the poundage. Compounds with sights tend to be used for shooting longer distances than trad gear. However regardless of the bow used we are all shooting arrows and therefore I believe we are/should be close range hunters.A primitive bow will have less range than a modern recurve or longbow, a 40# bow will have less than a 70, and a 70 # recurve or longbow will have less that a modern 70# compound.The numbers don't lie.
I agree with most of that and it would do everyone good to have a think about it!We need to make informed statements, not repeat what we read in articles and storys as the gospell.There is no need to bash piece of equipment when we do not have first hand experience with it.
In closing I will admit to being a noisy, heck even a noisy old vessel, but not an empty one thanks." An empty vessel makes the most noise"
David, I agree we need to be careful in our public appearance which is why I think we need to distance ourselves from crossbows and rifles. I'm not saying everyone should give up using them (if thats what your into) it's just that crossbows have been copping it in the media/ public eye and as a result have been banned in most states (?) so if we stand under the same heading as them I think we (archers) will go down the same road of legislation and bad reputation and I think you will agree, that isn't the image we need.On that same note another thing we have to be careful of is labelling and the appearance we present to the public , the press grips on to labels and works them to death ,
You can give a item a whole different slant just by the words you use , I know people who do things like give their crossbows black paint jobs and start calling them Assault Crossbows , I know a guy who calls his compound a Combat bow , even Space bow isn't a good idea , these are the words the press and politicians pick up on , see how they relate to guns , if some one is shot they aren't just shot they are Gunned Down ,
I agree.But the fact remains that we as hunters need to band together , we need to work in with the rifle shooters and the fishermen
I agree. There are two separate political arguments here. One on the ethics of hunting which we should work together on. The other is the issue of easily accesable weapons in society which can be used with little or no training to kill lots of people.wrc.555 wrote:Work with, but not put into the same category.
What is the smaller looking bow on it actually do?
Wonder if I tie another spacebow to my current spacebow if that would make any difference 
