use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#91 Post by danceswithdingoes » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:44 pm

Perry, time poor archers wasn't the motivation for the rule changes, making trad more beginner friendly was. Nothing puts a beginning trad shooter off more than heading out with a dozen shiny new woods and coming back with matchwood (and before you say move em closer we did and they got worse) alloys are more accessible, consistent and durable. These rule changes have been in place for 2 years and the game is still going fine. Why should a longbow shoot in a recurve division?
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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#92 Post by little arrows » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:17 pm

yes please Roadie, can you make mine a double..... :biggrin:

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#93 Post by littlejohn59 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Well .........what a topical subject this has been!

I was :surprised: by how many have contributed to and read the thread.

There are many interesting and varied points of view out there. All of which have merit and has made for interesting reading.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#94 Post by perry » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:45 pm

danceswithdingoes wrote:Perry, time poor archers wasn't the motivation for the rule changes, making trad more beginner friendly was. Nothing puts a beginning trad shooter off more than heading out with a dozen shiny new woods and coming back with matchwood (and before you say move em closer we did and they got worse) alloys are more accessible, consistent and durable. These rule changes have been in place for 2 years and the game is still going fine. Why should a longbow shoot in a recurve division?
Fair enough Jason, I understand and really do sympathise, I've given many sets of Arrows to beginners over the years and offered to teach a great many how to make Arrows as I believe making Arrows is as vital to teach a Beginner as is good Form. My Daughter and I sat down and we made Her Arrows together, I used 1/4" Ramin. Honestly in the time she Shot she never broke one. That set of Arrows has been handed on to a Friend's Son. She lost interest in Archery and moved on to more Girly pursuits long ago.

I used to feel it unfair to be paired against Recurves and other Bows made of Modern Materials when I shot 3DAAA Trad Division with my Selfbow. Then I decided to rise to the Challenge and with no more than a change in attitude and some work on my Form Faults - guess what !!!!! I beat the Recurves and Bows made from Modern Materials. In Trad Division you are shooting against Recurves anyway, I don't think your point is is Valid.

I remember when I was a beginner I smashed many Arrows against a FITA Target Stand at close Range. I smashed more on Tree's soon thereafter when I began to Shoot ABA. It's part of the trials and tribulations of Learning how to shoot a Bow.

I understand a beginners path should be as frustration free as possible. I know it sounds Harsh, perhaps a 3DAAA Comp is not the place for beginners until they have acheived a degree of proficiency, 3D is an unforgiving Game. I have seen Coarses set by overzealous Range Captains with only the experienced Archer in mind. There is no need to set Targets in positions were Arrows will be smashed if one misses.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#95 Post by Roadie » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:03 pm

That Perry is Half the Fun. Drinks anyone, just straight, run out of ice. Cheers Roadie.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#96 Post by Shrek » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:33 pm

As usual Perry you raise good points and you have on occasion made me and others with modern style bows look like dills,but with the large amount of newbies getting into it at the moment my thoughts are to get them set up and to shoot with a bit of confidence without seeing there gear bust up.3d after all is supposed to be as close as we can get to a hunt situation,it is indeed a good leveller.
3daaa has A very low amount of Trad shooters in it's ranks and that is why I haunt Trad shoots.
To get more people into our disipline is why I supported the allowance of these shafts and have seen benefits come from it,instead of being one of three in our club we now have six newbies who want to be part of it with more yet to be turned to the dark side.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#97 Post by kerrille » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:43 pm

i want to know where i can get these indestructible aluminium arras from ,i'd hate to guess how many allies i bent first time out and as i make my own shafts and arras i think im well ahead in the price stakes .

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#98 Post by Gringa Bows » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:59 pm

i shoot Bamboo arras a lot now ,in my opinion they're as tough as carbon and cheap as chips and set up properly they fly well :wink:

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#99 Post by hazard » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:42 pm

Roadie wrote:That Perry is Half the Fun. Drinks anyone, just straight, run out of ice. Cheers Roadie.
Roadie we had a cracker of a time, Sue, Steve came down and it was drinks all round. :smile: i must take the time again to raise a glass. Hic !

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#100 Post by kerrille » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:09 pm

have to agree with you rod ,the last dunolly shoot i used bamboo and didnt lose one ,so my hand planing shafts may be over.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#101 Post by GrahameA » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:59 am

Morning Nev.
kerrille wrote:i want to know where i can get these indestructible aluminium arras from ,i'd hate to guess how many allies i bent first time out and as i make my own shafts and arras i think im well ahead in the price stakes .

...nev...
When you discover the "indestructible aluminium arras" would you please post the details on here. You can get the odd bend out but not always.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#102 Post by longbowinfected » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:22 am

Been shooting bamboo arrows at trad shoots and hunting for three years or more. Any breakages are extremely rare. I wear the feathers out first. People get hung up about them not being absolutely straight because of the nodes being offset even when straightened and sanded.....it matters not....they fly very straight out to 50 metres.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#103 Post by Chase N. Nocks » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:37 pm

Hi Kev,

That is good to know. Are you buying them from China via ebay.

I have been thinking of giving them a try but don't know from where.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#104 Post by kerrille » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:02 pm

i got mine from china ,100 for $70.00 ,you just have to shop around and so for no probs.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#105 Post by longbowinfected » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:10 pm

I got mine from Tigers Woods on ebay three years ago and the price has come down. Mine cost $100 for 100 with $50 freight and turned up exactly 8 days later as promised. I gave a few dozen away and made the rest up into target [big feathers], clout [small feathers], hunting [heaviest with four feathers so I got about 2 dozen of each and only two broke behind the points so I spliced on extra timber.

I really have not had to make another set of woods since then. I have renovated other sets but not made any new sets.
I think therse will last for years.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#106 Post by WOLF » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:11 pm

MMMM Bamboo
Been using them for quite a while now LOVE EM
shoot them from my Horse Bow and my Long Bow
I agree they are very tough but they do break :lol: Ive broken about 3
did I say I LOVE EM :biggrin: They shoot well
Ive got a new set under way as we speak, self knocked with horn reinforcement
Anyhow I recon they are the bees knees :biggrin: :biggrin: natures carbon :mrgreen:
Shot Bamboo at Dunolly last year was going to do the same this year but had to work so didnt get there
These are my first time with Bamboo
http://www.ozbow.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=11435
Just had to put my 2 bobs worth in about Bamboo
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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#107 Post by WOLF » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:14 pm

Now time to sit back and have a nice HONEY MEAD :biggrin:
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#108 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:39 pm

Chase N. Nocks wrote:Hi Kev,

That is good to know. Are you buying them from China via ebay.

I have been thinking of giving them a try but don't know from where.

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#109 Post by hazard » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:16 pm

WOLF wrote:Now time to sit back and have a nice HONEY MEAD :biggrin:
I quite agree but I am more partial to the Honey Mead Lequre.! :mrgreen:

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#110 Post by little arrows » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:18 pm

Hazard,

Have you tried the spicy Mead, that really warms the cockles of your heart. :biggrin:

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#111 Post by Roadie » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:23 pm

Hazard What about my 25 year old Malt and Chivas LOCHANORA Liqueur. Cheers Roadie.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#112 Post by WOLF » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:47 pm

Well guys

I Love the Liqueur Mead a very nice drop my fiancee Donna s favorite

Hazard... The Spicy Mead is nice when warmed with a red hot poker dipped in
It does warm the cockles of the heart little arrows

But my Fav is the Honey Mead drank from a Horn ...the only way :smile: :mrgreen:

Did I mention that I Love Bamboo arrows
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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#113 Post by hazard » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:14 pm

little arrows wrote:Hazard,

Have you tried the spicy Mead, that really warms the cockles of your heart. :biggrin:

cheers
sue

ps. Roadie I have some ice for you.... :smile:
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I actually have only discovered of late the best way to consume mead is to warm it. Wow that really made a difference. :biggrin:

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#114 Post by longbowinfected » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:13 pm

Hey Wolf, do you like boo arrows?

Calvados......makes a new yiou on the inside. Top shelf Irish not too shabby either.

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#115 Post by Gringa Bows » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:16 pm

Thanks Nev..........Woilf i really think you should try Bamboo Arras i'm sure you may like them :mrgreen:

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Re: use of aluminium and carbon arrows at trad shoots

#116 Post by jcm » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:52 pm

Perhaps time to try a Bumboo after the Bull Shot prior to the SunDowner and much before the Last Word

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