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What arrows are you hoping or planning for?

#31 Post by dmm » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:20 pm

perry wrote: I reckon the best thing any Trad Archer can learn after continually striving for good form is to make their own quality timber arrows from scratch, if not then learn to assemble them from quality store bought components.
It's a very good point, and I could imagine it being a thread hijacker.
What arrows are you hoping or planning for?

For myself, I wonder whether I'll move from the trusty gamegetters to some form of carbon arrow. I'd keep the feather fletching, and fletch tape. Turbo nocks sound intriguing. I wouldn't bother with cresting, but might try feather splicing.
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#32 Post by greybeard » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:24 pm

If females are allowed to have a handbag and shoe fettish I guess its ok for males to have a bow fettish.

Although you may miss the target at least you will have made a fashion statement.

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#33 Post by looseplucker » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:00 pm

[quote="perry"]I just gotta be a kill joy folks :roll: why the focus on a beatifull bow :?: Arrows are the important part of an Archers equipment. I see folks running around all the time with $1500 Bows and the mottliest crappiest 3 dozen mismatched Arrows that they can find stuffed into their Quivers. And don't start me on their Form :oops:

What did Ishi say? "Any old stick make him a bow. Arrows kill deer"

My arrows are pretty plain. I don't crest or crown. I seal with tallow I make myself. All my bows are pretty plain and arrows but beautiful to me.

My guitar that Joe Gallacher of Albury made is a plain Jane. He wanted to know the 'get up'. I told him that the most beautiful women have no need of make up. I will post pix. Plain guitar and a beauty. My banjo is a standard Gibson workhorse. Plain Jane and looks and sounds like a supermodel.

Why is decorative popular? Must be just a matter of taste but I see see true beauty in the pure and natural. A feathered length of Osage is the Elle Mcwotsit of timber.
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#34 Post by wishsong » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:10 pm

Loose ... my best Telecasters are as plain as they come ... but beautiful !

David, splicing feathers is easy ... just dip in and have a go

Piggy ... is that the bow you were telling me about from your trip ? sounds ace !

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#35 Post by piggy » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:32 pm

yes mate, I can't wait to get it

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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#36 Post by GrahameA » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:49 am

Hi Perry.
perry wrote:I just gotta be a kill joy folks :roll: why the focus on a beatifull bow :?: Arrows are the important part of an Archers equipment. I see folks running around all the time with $1500 Bows and the mottliest crappiest 3 dozen mismatched Arrows that they can find stuffed into their Quivers. And don't start me on their Form :oops:

I reckon the best thing any Trad Archer can learn after continually striving for good form is to make their own quality timber arrows from scratch, if not then learn to assemble them from quality store bought components.
Start another thread.

IMHO making a set of 3 arrows from scratch is a challenge. Making a dozen is a big challenge. It is not so much that they are hard to make rather it is making them all the same. I am a beginner at such things and if I want a set of a dozen matched arrow shafts I will probably make around 3 dozen to come out with a set that are matched in mass, spine, FOC, etc. Naturally it depends on the tolerances you set.

Even if you take the road of buying components you can spend a bit of time getting them to match.

After you have made a set of your own from scratch then you will appreciate the Masterpieces of Steve Wallace.
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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#37 Post by dmm » Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:24 am

wishsong wrote:David, splicing feathers is easy ... just dip in and have a go
Ben, you told me making strings was easy too. I'm going to try that first!
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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#38 Post by Chase N. Nocks » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:25 am

excelpoint wrote:
dmm wrote:I was also looking at Border Hex5 ILF limbs the other day. They would be an extravagance, perhaps even more so would be a Border Griffin GL longbow, modern materials (carbon limbs) in a traditional looking longbow.
I had my eye on the Border Bows for a while. The main deciding factor was a quest to get the best performing bow I could based around the setup I want to shoot, ie 50# at my draw of 26.5" shooting 550-580gr arrows with a minimum of 160fps. The bow also needs to have a super smooth draw cycle and be very stable. From all the research and conversations with owners with the same setups I want the Border Hex 5 combo ticked all the boxes.
Wow mate, just googled for a picture of the limbs...very deep recurve. Looks really nice. What sort of price?
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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#39 Post by TomMcDonald » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:03 am

Chase N. Nocks wrote:
excelpoint wrote:
dmm wrote:I was also looking at Border Hex5 ILF limbs the other day. They would be an extravagance, perhaps even more so would be a Border Griffin GL longbow, modern materials (carbon limbs) in a traditional looking longbow.
I had my eye on the Border Bows for a while. The main deciding factor was a quest to get the best performing bow I could based around the setup I want to shoot, ie 50# at my draw of 26.5" shooting 550-580gr arrows with a minimum of 160fps. The bow also needs to have a super smooth draw cycle and be very stable. From all the research and conversations with owners with the same setups I want the Border Hex 5 combo ticked all the boxes.
Wow mate, just googled for a picture of the limbs...very deep recurve. Looks really nice. What sort of price?
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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#40 Post by Chase N. Nocks » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:06 am

perry wrote:I just gotta be a kill joy folks :roll: why the focus on a beatifull bow :?: Arrows are the important part of an Archers equipment. I see folks running around all the time with $1500 Bows and the mottliest crappiest 3 dozen mismatched Arrows that they can find stuffed into their Quivers. And don't start me on their Form :oops:
Hey!! I resemble that remark! and you know it You insensitive brute....I'll have you know that currently there are only 2 dozen arrows stuffed in my quiver and only 2 different spines, 2 different arrow lengths and 3 different types of fletching..but at least there is only one arrow material...traditional aluminium. So you can see that I have taken your past ribbing of my quiver to heart and changed my ways. Of course in now doing so I no longer have a quiver that has at least one arrow for any bow poundage or bow type emergency so the above mentioned specialisation of my quiver has reduced my flexibility. Happy????

I agree with what you say about arrows being more important than the bow for the most part...you will also, I think, agree that we have both shot some dog mongrel bows over the years, a certain badly made Bingham longbow always springs to mind and in fact that bow still has me sitting upright sweating and screaming in the middle of the night. It's only redeeming feature being that it could only push out an arrow at about 72fps and thus learning arrow trajectory was a breeze.

As to the point about beautiful bows...there is no point. There is no point to beautiful art or beautiful music or a beautiful quiver or a beautiful hand painted woomera. Other than how it makes the owner or the audience feel. Will that beauty bridge the shortcomings of the individual? In the main, no it won't. I think there are certain psychological benefits to enjoying and confidence in your equipment that do filter down as physical benefits. It is the things beyond simple utility that touches our soul (even though I don't believe in souls) for want of a better word.
perry wrote: I reckon the best thing any Trad Archer can learn after continually striving for good form is to make their own quality timber arrows from scratch, if not then learn to assemble them from quality store bought components.
I reckon that is a good goal as well. It is for me but there are some limiting factors that vary in the obsticles they present for me to overcome. Time, place, knowledge, expense etc etc. I just took me weeks and weeks to finally find enough time to make a couple dozen aluminium arrows and that's stupid easy...I still had to rush and most people would be embarressed by them.

BTW I am not a Trad Archer.
perry wrote: I'm sure I have not made the best bow I can yet, always something to aim for but if I had to choose a Bow that someone else made for me I could not go past another RER http://www.rerbows.com/ . My Arroyo is simply superb.
Your Arroyo is simply superb. It might be plain in the wood/glass choices but the design is attractive and potent...everytime I see it I have to be reminded that it is a much longer bow than it looks. And it has shooting qualities in spades. It is a thing of beauty in the way that your favourite workhorse always reliable workhorse rifle is a thing of beauty. I would not chose to own a Rose Oak bow on looks alone..that just happens to be a fortunate bonus to having a little extra cash for a bow that by reputation has highly regarded shooting qualities itself. Either bow would recieve equal shooting attention from me, but almost anyone, archer and non archer, might be forgiven for admiring the extra inticacies of the Rose Oak. The beauty of the Arroyo is more esoteric but that is pretty cool aswell.
perry wrote: Years ago when Cliff and I would turn up with a new Selfbow at the Range just about every week we noticed that if Cliff turned up with a well crafted Selfbow sprayed with a glossy finish it got "WOW this is the best Bow you've made yet", and my Boiled Linseed and Gum Turps oil finished to 600 grit Selfbow would not get a second glance. The next week I'd turn up with the same Bow gleaming after 10 coats of True Oil and folks would comment - "WOW thats the best Bow you've made yet"
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As you know I hold the skill required to make a self bow in the highest regard. I have a practical inkling of just how hard this is. I would love to know more but priorities place that way down the list. And I would love to have the boys learn it as they get older. But I will be frank...much of the beauty of selfbows is completely lost on me.

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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#41 Post by Mick Smith » Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:51 am

There's only one bow that I would consider buying at the moment. It would be what I would consider to be the 'perfect' tournament bow. It would be a 64 inch long Toelke Whip with a draw weight of 45# @ 28 inches.

This bow wouldn't shoot any more accurately than my current tournament bow, a 64 inch Mohawk, 51# @ 28 inches, but I'm convinced that it would shoot the same weight arrows at the same speed, yet be 6# lighter to pull back, making it slightly easier to shoot all day.

It's only a small difference, I know, but a slight advantage all the same. :D

I'm entirely happy with my current hunting bow, which is also a Whip, but with a draw weight of 54#. I have used this bow in tournaments, but I simply get too tired after shooting it all day. My shoulder starts to collapse and accuracy goes out the window by early afternoon.

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#42 Post by Chase N. Nocks » Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:08 pm

So you might be selling the Mohawk then hey Mick? :wink: :D

BTW Mick, Dan has the now deliberately concieved 66" Whip specifically aimed at the target archer.

Grahame, yes I agree with what you say about the merits and difficulty of making said arrows, especially from scratch.

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#43 Post by Chase N. Nocks » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:54 pm

Careful the following picture is serious archery eye candy. I have a bit of a thing for Bernadini risers both the Cobra and the Mamba...but particularly the Cobra and I have a newly discovered thing for Hex 5 limbs. HEY PRESTO!!!

170fps with 680gr arrows.
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#44 Post by AndyD » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:12 pm

excelpoint wrote:
dmm wrote:I was also looking at Border Hex5 ILF limbs the other day. They would be an extravagance, perhaps even more so would be a Border Griffin GL longbow, modern materials (carbon limbs) in a traditional looking longbow.
I had my eye on the Border Bows for a while. The main deciding factor was a quest to get the best performing bow I could based around the setup I want to shoot, ie 50# at my draw of 26.5" shooting 550-580gr arrows with a minimum of 160fps. The bow also needs to have a super smooth draw cycle and be very stable. From all the research and conversations with owners with the same setups I want the Border Hex 5 combo ticked all the boxes.
I shoot a Border Black Douglas with Hex 5's 56# @28". You will not be disapointed Excelpoint!

I was in love with my Silvertip but the minute my border turned up I've hardly sot her.

Three bows - a Border ILF setup with Hex5
a ACS longbow
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#45 Post by piggy » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:16 pm

AndyD would love to see a picture please?

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#46 Post by Nephew » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:26 pm

GrahameA wrote:Hi Perry.
perry wrote:I just gotta be a kill joy folks :roll: why the focus on a beatifull bow :?: Arrows are the important part of an Archers equipment. I see folks running around all the time with $1500 Bows and the mottliest crappiest 3 dozen mismatched Arrows that they can find stuffed into their Quivers. And don't start me on their Form :oops:

I reckon the best thing any Trad Archer can learn after continually striving for good form is to make their own quality timber arrows from scratch, if not then learn to assemble them from quality store bought components.
Start another thread.

IMHO making a set of 3 arrows from scratch is a challenge. Making a dozen is a big challenge. It is not so much that they are hard to make rather it is making them all the same. I am a beginner at such things and if I want a set of a dozen matched arrow shafts I will probably make around 3 dozen to come out with a set that are matched in mass, spine, FOC, etc. Naturally it depends on the tolerances you set.

Even if you take the road of buying components you can spend a bit of time getting them to match.

After you have made a set of your own from scratch then you will appreciate the Masterpieces of Steve Wallace.
I have a new appreciation for the talent of people like Mr. Wallace, Mr. Kidner, Mr. Challacombe and others. I've just finished making my first set of matched woods, not from scratch I bought prepared shafts ( No Tom, don't say it, mate! :P ) , but man, it wasn't easy getting them tuned and ready to fletch. Even learning to apply varnish evenly was hard. But, I learned a TON for next time and am very keen for another go at it. Can't see myself buying carbons or aluminiums for a while.
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#47 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:44 pm

Moreton wrote:Can't see myself buying carbons or aluminiums for a while.
:D :mrgreen: :D

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#48 Post by Nephew » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:57 am

You wouldn't be smiling if you saw them, Jeff! :wink: They're pretty plain, no cresting as I don't have a cresting machine ( next project on the list-make one) just broadhead , fletching and nocks. But gee, they fly well, nice and straight. No kicking to one side before the fletching takes control of steering, just like darts. I was happy with that. :D
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#49 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:46 am

Moreton wrote:But gee, they fly well, nice and straight. No kicking to one side before the fletching takes control of steering, just like darts. I was happy with that. :D
Well mate that's how it should be and you should be very happy with that indeed! :D They don't have to be fancy but it does make them look nice in a photo with game. :mrgreen:

I hope you get to use them for their intended purpose real soon. :D

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#50 Post by AndyD » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:15 pm

piggy wrote:AndyD would love to see a picture please?
Hi Piggy,

Here's one snapped a few minutes ago, my youngest is holding a Maddog R/D lonbow she shares with her sister (awesome kids bow btw)
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Here's a pair from the last trip, mine on the right mates on the left:
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You can see the difference in limb - Mine are Hex 5 and his are Hex 4


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#51 Post by Nephew » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:28 pm

Can we see your Huntsman please, Andy?
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#52 Post by AndyD » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:46 pm

Moreton wrote:Can we see your Huntsman please, Andy?
Better clear up any confusion:
I currently own and shoot:
Border Black Douglas
Schafer Silvertip
Barry Johnson D longbow
Ben Pearson Hunter II

The bows I will own in the future are:
a Border ILF setup with Hex5
a ACS longbow
a Mark Kimber Huntsman recurve made with all Aussie woods
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#53 Post by Nephew » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:48 pm

Oh, Ok sorry Bud. Can we see your Silvertip instead then, please? :)

Re: your avatar...That Maddox is a funny bugger, yeah? :wink: :D
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#54 Post by Chase N. Nocks » Fri Apr 08, 2011 5:24 pm

Ah, I thought the Adcock bows were no longer being made but I assume ACS has taken over the manufacture...is that correct? If so that is quite good news..although I would probably still favour a Centaur myself anyway.

I will check out their website and read some more.

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Re: What bow are you hoping or planning for?

#55 Post by excelpoint » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:22 pm

Chase N. Nocks wrote:
excelpoint wrote:
dmm wrote:I was also looking at Border Hex5 ILF limbs the other day. They would be an extravagance, perhaps even more so would be a Border Griffin GL longbow, modern materials (carbon limbs) in a traditional looking longbow.
I had my eye on the Border Bows for a while. The main deciding factor was a quest to get the best performing bow I could based around the setup I want to shoot, ie 50# at my draw of 26.5" shooting 550-580gr arrows with a minimum of 160fps. The bow also needs to have a super smooth draw cycle and be very stable. From all the research and conversations with owners with the same setups I want the Border Hex 5 combo ticked all the boxes.
Wow mate, just googled for a picture of the limbs...very deep recurve. Looks really nice. What sort of price?
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#56 Post by Nephew » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:27 pm

Please say that's $1400 for the whole thing, not just limbs!! :shock:
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#57 Post by excelpoint » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:28 pm

AndyD wrote:
Moreton wrote:Can we see your Huntsman please, Andy?
Better clear up any confusion:
I currently own and shoot:
Border Black Douglas
Schafer Silvertip
Barry Johnson D longbow
Ben Pearson Hunter II

The bows I will own in the future are:
a Border ILF setup with Hex5
a ACS longbow
a Mark Kimber Huntsman recurve made with all Aussie woods
Andy. I have shot an ACS Longbow, very nice bit of gear. If we can arrange a time and place when my Border arrives you would be welcome to sling some arrows out of it to see what you think of the ILF setup. It will be 50# on the lowest setting at 26.5". According to Sid at Border I should be able to get another 4# out of it with the limb bolts tightened up.

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#58 Post by excelpoint » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:29 pm

Moreton wrote:Please say that's $1400 for the whole thing, not just limbs!! :shock:
:lol: Yeah mate, the whole thing. I wouldnt have a hunting cuboard left if it were just the limbs.

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#59 Post by Nephew » Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:57 pm

Nor a wife & kids! :wink: :D
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#60 Post by excelpoint » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:11 pm

Chase N. Nocks wrote:Careful the following picture is serious archery eye candy. I have a bit of a thing for Bernadini risers both the Cobra and the Mamba...but particularly the Cobra and I have a newly discovered thing for Hex 5 limbs. HEY PRESTO!!!

170fps with 680gr arrows.
NICE

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