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Eddy, Do you reckon that the long form could be put here http://www.ozbow.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2927 in that format and remove both the old pages AND the older PDF please? I have send both you and Daryl the document in Word format which can be converted to text and reformatted to suit ...

Et tu, bstan86!

I must add you said before I miss the point but when I have gone to the shoots around the country and shared a fire with the archers or Australia the feedback I have got is that perhaps you should spend more time having a shot with others and less time reading books if you want an idea of what TRAD...

Dear me, Kim. Don"t be so ridiculous. You aren't really advancing your position at all. Perhaps you should take up a bit of historical reading to inform yourself of what you don't understand. I have posted a booklist above some of whose titles you which may care to read. By all means have both ...

You are missing the point completely Kim. You want to have your feet in both camps and still regard yourself as a traditional archer. Whether or not you make all your gear at home means nothing if it does not conform to what has been made historically in the entire historical period from the inventi...

Kim, I prefer woods to use with all my bows, but that is just a preference. There is not a shred of evidence anywhere that woods perform better in trad bows than other materials. I would never suggest to anybody that woods are the only correct shaft material to use with trad bows. That was well real...

Thank you, Ian. I have put a lot of work and experimenting into what I have found and bare-shaft technique does work quite well, but in the original debate on Ozbow, that it didn't work was never my thesis. Clearly it does. My original point was that so many of us are 'instinctive' archers who don't...

Very kind of you to say so, sir.

I have decided to drop my asking price to $1500.

It has all been done before Kendaric, and is all in print if people can be bothered looking. I have a small mountain of books here on the whole subject that I found easily enough on the Net. What follows is a list of my library as it now stands. I have read the lot from cover to cover - BOOKLIST 1. ...

Perry,

Thank you for the reply. As you probably realise, both Jeff Challacombe and I have been beating that drum for many years to very little avail.

Bob, I have been working for some time now on a longish post concerning the value of bare shaft tuning and doing a lot of experimenting with the technique. I hope to have it all finished before too long and post it up on Ozbow. I was about to send it all through and sent a copy to Eddy to peruse, bu...

This is a link to a US site called 'The Traditional Archery Society' where the correct use of traditional archery terminology is discussed for those interested. I received it some time ago and kept forgetting to post it here. Anyway, here it is now - http://www.traditionalarcherysociety.com/post/bow...

Neil, I see what you mean about the warping. It is a very shallow 'S' shape. However, if this was a split stave, I would not even give that amount of bend a second thought so long as a string line from tip to tip passed through the handle pretty close to the centre of the stave's width and length. T...

Neil, In all my old archery books concerning the use of Lemonwood, one of the remarkable things noted about it was its inherent stability when dry, so I think yours may have been pretty wet perhaps as well as those internal stresses referred to above. However when the old bowyers bought boards to us...

Obe-Wan,

I have 5 or 6 which can go to good homes. Light weights though - nothing heavier than 55lbs. They are far too heavy for me these days because of medical issues.

Daryl, Like I did originally, you've fixated on 2 radians being the only form of full circular draw. I tried to explain that it was my early observation that the bows I drew circles against appeared to have a radius of half of one radian. I knew that that would raise just the issue that you are now ...

Thank you both Colin and Neil. The technique does need verification in case I am barking up the wrong tree. Darryl, I know where you are coming from. The amount of bend at full draw does not come completely around to two radians of bend because of stretch in the string, but thus far when I have meas...

Does anybody think that this method of guiding the tillering of an ELB pattern or similar bow through to completion? I can do my own testing, but what I am looking for is corroboration of the technique. It needs somebody else to check what I am proposing who does not have my own bias toward a techni...

Bjorn, As Colin reiterates, equating one radian to 1/6th of a circle is a simplification for the purposes of practicality. Because Pi is a number which never ends ( at least I don't think anyone has calculated an absolute value for it), theoretically, no circle ever closes. In real life we KNOW that...

Around christmas time I think, Rod. I have a couple of little all-wood recurves made by a young mate over in Michigan that I would like to show you. They are Hickory backed Red Oak. I think you will be interested in them.

4. HOW TO DRAW THE TILLER BACKING BOARD 1. The tools you will need to mark out this board are – (a) A prepared backing board as per 2 below; (b) A pencil; (c) A length of non-stretch string of at least 8 feet length (better to have more than necessary); (d) 10 or more pegs/pins of any kind by which...

Please, NOTE everybody, this thread is NOT about whether or not the circular tiller is the best kind of tiller relative to performance or anything else. It is about HOW to best achieve a genuine circular tiller on bows which bend through the handle such as the classic ELB, and maintain that circular...

Muzz1970,, Congratulations on doing it 'scientifically' . My guess would be that there would be a similar difference over the varying string types. You are talking of an error of 1% in arrow speed. You can do much worse with a poor/inconsistent loose. I have not heard of 'heterodyning' but it would ...

Tricky, Bowhunting in ALL Victorian State Forests for legal Game, such as Deer and any declared pest species is legal unless there is a sign prohibiting such. Some areas of State Forest have been leased for agricultural purposes and rarely, some wildllife protection 'islands', and you may not enter ...

Clinton, Forrest Nagler worked out mathematically back in the late 1930s that even distribution of load along a bow's limbs can be achieved in an elliptical tiller such as your Møllegabet bow design and most bow designs. Yeoman wrote a good bit about the application of Nagler's pattern of tillering ...

Clinton, I know that the actual angle of a radian is 57.2+ degrees, but for practical purposes of this exercise, there is a close enough relationship between the length of the curvature along the circumference of the circle and the length of a radius that my thesis is workable in practical terms. Co...

Here is the next installment of my thesis on achieving a correctly circular bend in bows which bend through the handle. 2. CIRCULARITY If a bow is to have a circular tiller, then the arc of the limbs must form part of a circle which has a centre point. The length of the limbs must form a definite pr...

Colin,

I have edited it a bit since first draft but it is mostly the same. I will post the next chapter tonight I think.

I have written an article below intending to show the disparity between what actually often is and what is purported to be a circular tillered (compass) bow and how to effect a remedy with the use of an accurately plotted tiller backing board showing how, instead of a series of horizontal lines used...